SubDESU

While I can’t say I disagree with everything said, I am a bit sad that Kanako is gone and that so much bad blood has been stirred up between you guys. It is true that Kanako probably acted out of line there, but to be honest she doesn’t exactly appreciate the way she was treated by you guys. I think she didn’t like the way Jinto and DA were unilaterally putting these changes in without consulting other staff beforehand. Which I think IS a legitimate concern even if subsequent actions were less then desirable.

She also said something about there being longstanding differences that have only recently come to a head, but I don’t know the details about those, and so I can’t comment.

As an aside, Kanako-Fansubs, which is her fansub group, has been around for maybe a year and a half or so, if not more. In that past it was primarily a FR TL group. She has only recently (since leaving SubDesu) decided to make it dual audio (Eng/Fr) and yes she is finishing seipron, as well I’ve heard she has gotten new grammar checkers who are supposedly quite good at fixing all the mistakes, but only time will tell.

Ack, I don’t want to come across as advertising for her group, but this discussion has been a little one-sided. I am not actually sure if she authorized the channel spamming or was simply joking about it and had a staff member take it the wrong way, but, yeah it was out of line.

Ahh, why can’t we have the old SubDesu?

From what I understand it was an issue of whether or not things should be done unilaterally. She didn’t approve of the fact that you guys as the owners were doing things without consulting the rest of the staff. It wasn’t that she regarded you as useless, but moreso that you were too inclined to do things as you saw fit without considering that other staffers might have different opinions.

Also, She, in fact, didn’t leave until after Ops was removed from the staffers channel.

[17:25] Kanako was being silly about OP’s being taken from all staffers in the staff channel

The quote above got cut off:

[17:25] Kanako was being silly about OP’s being taken from all staffers in the staff channel
[17:25] and she was like no op in staff channel she leaves.. :D

My sole point being that she left because op’s got removed.

You are absolutely right in saying that I don’t know the full story about why she left and how it was handled, etc, but I do know the justifications she gave for leaving and they aren’t nearly as petty as you make them out to be. I’ll address the concerns you raise point by point.

DA: What’s at stake here is exactly that question of entitlement. Is the fansub group yours or does it belong to everyone who contributes to it? Undoubtedly, you should be affected a position of respect and authority for founding it, but I don’t think that is synonymous with unilateral rule, which is precisely what Kanako objected to. You get the right to make changes, and it isn’t altogether unreasonable for you to expect to have the last say, but to say that you get exclusively quasi-dictatorial control is naive, and ultimately as representative of the “first-grader” mindset as Kanako’s actions. The moment you add a second member to the fansub group it ceases to be “yours” and instead takes on a collective role, particularly when the second member is playing an integral role in pushing releases out (while I disagree with Kanako’s assessment that this group can’t survive without her, it’s not really the thrust of her argument). I understand that even on a small group scale the realities of purely democratic administration is unfeasible that doesn’t preclude giving at least more than lipservice to your fellow members of the group.

Jinto: Regarding the recruitment of Snaake(sp?), Kanako banned him from the staff channel because she was under the impression that he wasn’t staff yet and hence had no reason to be in the staff channel. She had given him a translation task that was supposed to be a preliminary assessment of his translation abilities prior to him joining the group (eg. had he passed he joins, if he fails then he doesn’t). I don’t think it is unreasonable to keep potential recruits out of the staff channel especially when Snaake himself didn’t yet consider himself part of the group:

[19:27] oi
[19:28] any1 here
[19:28] Snaaake
[19:28] dare ka iru no ka?
[19:28] We need some TLers :P

(skipped a few lines)

[19:31] then wht?
[19:32] ure leader konako mia?
[19:32] leader lol Yea shes go ne
[19:32] ??
[19:32] wht happened
[19:32] and here i was starting her test
[19:33] We will just say we had differences and figured it was best to part ways

(from a day or two after Kanako-left)

The initial incident, ie. the banning of Snaake, isn’t actually all that unreasonable seeing as he wasn’t a member yet and hence had no reason to be in the staffing group. From what I understand you have a separate channel for recruits (#Desu-recruit) which would have been more apt for any discussion involving snaake, given his status.

From there this whole thing was mismanaged worse than the Austrian invasion of Serbia in 1918 and it sort of ballooned, but I think it is wrong to dismiss Kanako’s actions as being utterly baseless.

@da_tenshi: Kanako didn’t want to abandon her fans and actually likes Seikon, Jinto, Aistad, and Atosecond (from IRC if he reads this) can attest to this. The statement about staining is a joke, her fansub group when it was french only was relatively safe and above board. Bad grammar is to be expected she is trilingual; english is her third language and she grew up in France.

My basic thesis is this: Mistakes were made on both sides.

I think html is causing the IRC nicks to be removed from my comments. So here they are again (in order of appearance):

[17:25] [~DAdesu] Kanako was being silly about OP’s being taken from all staffers in the staff channel
[17:25] [~DAdesu] and she was like no op in staff channel she leaves.. :D

2nd Quote:

[19:27] [snaake] oi
[19:28] [snaake] any1 here
[19:28] [@Aistad] Snaaake
[19:28] [snaake] dare ka iru no ka?
[19:28] [@Aistad] We need some TLers :P

Skip a few lines

[19:31] [snaake] i wudve contacted u guys sooner
[19:31] [snaake] bt
[19:31] [snaake] shit came up both personally
[19:31] [snaake] an well in the country
[19:31] [snaake] so
[19:31] [snaake] y
[19:31] [snaake] hells aint working no more??
[19:31] [&Mkohaku] Hells is still working
[19:31] [snaake] then wht?
[19:32] [snaake] ure leader konako mia?
[19:32] [&Mkohaku] leader lol Yea shes go ne
[19:32] [snaake] ??
[19:32] [snaake] wht happened
[19:32] [snaake] and here i was starting her test
[19:33] [&Mkohaku] We will just say we had differences and figured it was best to part ways

Jinto: Other groups have founders, and they are afforded more respect/power then other members, as I said above, but they aren’t all powerful.

I think the IRC quotes prove that given that Snaake himself didn’t consider himself a member of subdesu he had little reason to be in the staff channel. Hence Kanako was justified to act the way she did.